“You don’t have to talk like that to us, mister,” I said. “We know town-speak just fine.”
The man with the hat put it back on his head and smiled with a hint of embarrassment. “Sorry, folks. Sometimes it helps, you know, smooth the way.”
That man with the computer was lurking by the corner of our porch, holding it up and aiming some kind of camera at the eaves. He steered a pair of laser beams from one end to the other. I figured I’d let him do what he was doing if I didn’t see any harm.
“Smooth the way for what?” I asked. I knew what was coming next, what was always coming: talk of imminent domain, of making way for progress.
“Something exciting,” he said, lifting up a foot onto the lowest step. “Opportunity of a lifetime…”
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I didn't get the ending either. Are the protagonists existing in a simulation? And a meta-singularity has occurred within that simulation? And what does the old man's server farm (hehe) have to do with it?
Posted: January 11, 2012, 8:40 am
As always Norm did a really good read and the characters were believable. I love the idea of money having no meaning because time has no meaning…but then even a virtual life would have no meaning….
I just don’t understand exactly what happened at the end there.
I just don’t understand exactly what happened at the end there.
Posted: January 11, 2012, 3:26 pm
I think my favorite description of the singularity from some in the science community use is "The Rapture of the Nerds."
Great story, great read, (great drabble, great guest-voice.)
I didn't have a problem with the ending. The nerds, having been transported to their virtual "heaven" would naturally want to pursue what was so important to them in the physical realm, and continue their pursuit of the singularity, even though it already happened.
I'm with you on not understanding why the farmer had a set of servers in the barn, however.
Great story, great read, (great drabble, great guest-voice.)
I didn't have a problem with the ending. The nerds, having been transported to their virtual "heaven" would naturally want to pursue what was so important to them in the physical realm, and continue their pursuit of the singularity, even though it already happened.
I'm with you on not understanding why the farmer had a set of servers in the barn, however.
Posted: January 11, 2012, 3:37 pm
The ending was something that, naturally, even the author cannot explain. Face it, if you live in a perfect simulation, how can you tell if your "rebellion" is simulated or real? The whole point is that you don't know, and whether it's what you have chosen or what has been chosen for you, whether it is real or simulated, it is indistinguishable from life. You can't figure it out.
Allow me to demonstrate:
You are now in the singularity.
You are now in actuality.
Notice the difference?
Allow me to demonstrate:
You are now in the singularity.
You are now in actuality.
Notice the difference?
Posted: January 11, 2012, 3:46 pm
I don't accept the "even the author couldn't explain it" argument. This story was great, but the ending was muddled. A good ending should either be clear OR should leave the reader with several equally arguable endings that they are challenged to choose from. The ending should just confuse the reader and leave them wondering if they misread something.
That is the difference between this story and, say, Inception. At the end of the movie you can have a big debate with your friends about the ending and while nobody is right, everybody thinks they have a good argument. Singularity Knocks on the other hand leaves you pretty sure you have the right ending in mind, but makes you doubt that rather neat ending.
All that aside, I enjoyed the tone and setting. I'm a bit surprised a bunch of hillbillys in America would be the last to go (why not peoples of far-off tribes, like Amazonians), but it was fun to see that "simple man v. gu'ment men" conversation in a new context.
That is the difference between this story and, say, Inception. At the end of the movie you can have a big debate with your friends about the ending and while nobody is right, everybody thinks they have a good argument. Singularity Knocks on the other hand leaves you pretty sure you have the right ending in mind, but makes you doubt that rather neat ending.
All that aside, I enjoyed the tone and setting. I'm a bit surprised a bunch of hillbillys in America would be the last to go (why not peoples of far-off tribes, like Amazonians), but it was fun to see that "simple man v. gu'ment men" conversation in a new context.
Posted: January 11, 2012, 7:01 pm
The two equally plausible endings are
*that the hillbillies existence in the singularity consists of battling the gumint
*that they have actually successfully killed the gumint agents before they get zapped.
This is made explicit by the statement of the gumint agent that it would all be over before the hillbilly could retrieve his shotgun.
But how could you tell the difference between one conclusion and the other? In fact, $10 to anyone who can offer a method to discern whether or not you're already in the singularity? In fact, $5 to anyone who can prove they're not the hillbilly.
*that the hillbillies existence in the singularity consists of battling the gumint
*that they have actually successfully killed the gumint agents before they get zapped.
This is made explicit by the statement of the gumint agent that it would all be over before the hillbilly could retrieve his shotgun.
But how could you tell the difference between one conclusion and the other? In fact, $10 to anyone who can offer a method to discern whether or not you're already in the singularity? In fact, $5 to anyone who can prove they're not the hillbilly.
Posted: January 11, 2012, 9:15 pm
Here are the 3, count them, three, endings I got out of it:
1. The agents succeeded in uploading them. (See "he'll think he succeeded" line) Rinse and repeat eternal singularities inside each other.
2. They killed the agents before being uploaded. They are left inside only a single singularity, and prevented recursive singularities. Since it's all-or-nothing, everybody gets brought back and things start over again.
3. They killed the agents before being uploaded. They are left in real life and are the protectorates of the singularity machine.
Regardless of which option you choose, it seemed clear to me that their server farm was the singularity machine.
Okay, general thoughts. Patton was good, but a little tough. The drabble also took me twice through to get, but was excellent. David's voice was great there. And the overall production was excellent.
1. The agents succeeded in uploading them. (See "he'll think he succeeded" line) Rinse and repeat eternal singularities inside each other.
2. They killed the agents before being uploaded. They are left inside only a single singularity, and prevented recursive singularities. Since it's all-or-nothing, everybody gets brought back and things start over again.
3. They killed the agents before being uploaded. They are left in real life and are the protectorates of the singularity machine.
Regardless of which option you choose, it seemed clear to me that their server farm was the singularity machine.
Okay, general thoughts. Patton was good, but a little tough. The drabble also took me twice through to get, but was excellent. David's voice was great there. And the overall production was excellent.
Posted: January 12, 2012, 3:40 pm
strawman wrote:
In fact, $10 to anyone who can offer a method to discern whether or not you're already in the singularity? In fact, $5 to anyone who can prove they're not the hillbilly.
What a lame reward. (Since we all know that money is pointless in the singularity...)
Posted: January 12, 2012, 3:45 pm
I usually like stories about the Singularity but the plot in this one didn't make much sense to me unless the farmers were really already in the Singularity, which wasn't explored all that satisfyingly. A few things seemed particularly far fetched:
-The entire world has been uploaded except these two guys but they somehow haven't heard about it? They have no friends or family? No newspaper, satellite, internet, or neighbors? Who were they selling their food to? Who were they buying supplies from? It didn't seem like they were secluded isolationists 100% cut off from the world, which is really hard to do.
-As someone else noted above, how does the government "know" that there are zero people left in the world? Infrared scans from satellites? And what about people underground?
-If this were really happening, either it would be a secret from the general population . . . or not. If the government was stealthily uploading billions of people without it being public knowledge it would likely be a huge bulk process and wouldn't involve agents walking house to house. But if it was public knowledge, there would likely be millions of people who didn't want to go and would be hiding underground or elsewhere.
-If the government really had convinced billions of people to go -- including every other last nutcase and luddite, presumably they had a better pitch than two government agents walking up to people to chit chat With the stakes so high and the claim so outrageous I would think that they would have brought proof.
-It didn't seem to much matter whether the farmers went willingly or not. And if that's the case, it was unclear to me why they wouldn't just walk up and shoot them.
All of this leads me to believe the farmers were already in the singularity, having some fun with a simulation. But that being the big reveal wasn't very satisfying for me.
-The entire world has been uploaded except these two guys but they somehow haven't heard about it? They have no friends or family? No newspaper, satellite, internet, or neighbors? Who were they selling their food to? Who were they buying supplies from? It didn't seem like they were secluded isolationists 100% cut off from the world, which is really hard to do.
-As someone else noted above, how does the government "know" that there are zero people left in the world? Infrared scans from satellites? And what about people underground?
-If this were really happening, either it would be a secret from the general population . . . or not. If the government was stealthily uploading billions of people without it being public knowledge it would likely be a huge bulk process and wouldn't involve agents walking house to house. But if it was public knowledge, there would likely be millions of people who didn't want to go and would be hiding underground or elsewhere.
-If the government really had convinced billions of people to go -- including every other last nutcase and luddite, presumably they had a better pitch than two government agents walking up to people to chit chat With the stakes so high and the claim so outrageous I would think that they would have brought proof.
-It didn't seem to much matter whether the farmers went willingly or not. And if that's the case, it was unclear to me why they wouldn't just walk up and shoot them.
All of this leads me to believe the farmers were already in the singularity, having some fun with a simulation. But that being the big reveal wasn't very satisfying for me.
Posted: January 15, 2012, 4:27 pm
You've heard of good fiction causing the willing suspension of disbelief (Hillary Clinton famously referred to it to express her skepticism to General Betray-us).
Possibly, the shortcoming of this episode is not the presentation of various possible outcomes, but your conclusion that the least satisfying resolution is the most probable one. How could you not be disappointed?
Your other points are interferences in your willing suspension system, making for a bumpy ride. Those questions might have been better addressed but, as with a Drabble, you need to consider the length and time limitations. You surely would have been more willing to believe and forgive, if you were better satisfied with your most plausible resolution.
So choose one.
All that is needed is a simple patch.
Possibly, the shortcoming of this episode is not the presentation of various possible outcomes, but your conclusion that the least satisfying resolution is the most probable one. How could you not be disappointed?
Your other points are interferences in your willing suspension system, making for a bumpy ride. Those questions might have been better addressed but, as with a Drabble, you need to consider the length and time limitations. You surely would have been more willing to believe and forgive, if you were better satisfied with your most plausible resolution.
So choose one.
All that is needed is a simple patch.
Posted: January 15, 2012, 5:57 pm
Can anyone (someone?) tell me what the fade uot music at the end of the episode is?
thanks!
thanks!
Posted: January 16, 2012, 2:22 am
Looking at drabblecast.org, under the episode it lists the music as the Avett Brothers? It gives a link. Check 'em out and see if they're who you're looking for!
Welcome to the forums!
Welcome to the forums!
Posted: January 16, 2012, 3:11 am
tbaker2500 wrote:
Looking at drabblecast.org, under the episode it lists the music as the Avett Brothers? It gives a link. Check 'em out and see if they're who you're looking for!
Welcome to the forums!
No kidding? I love Avett Brothers. Especially their song that I think is titled "The Ballad of Love and Hate".
Regarding this story: It was okay. I picked out two plausible endings from it (though i can see how there would be three). To me it seemed the most plausible that the hillbillies were uploaded before they got their guns.
I don't konw, I've just seen so many stories that are about the holdouts from a consciousness upload simulation, that it is just one of those stories that always feels repetitive when I hear another one.
Posted: January 20, 2012, 6:04 pm
I'm 90% certain they got uploaded. I mean, the government agents told them they'd be uploaded before they could do anything about it. And naturally, it would make sense to put them in a program that would project them winning. So it's not really a story about holdouts, but a story about believing you're a hold-out.
So it probably would have been better to have a bit more of a reveal.
So it probably would have been better to have a bit more of a reveal.
Posted: January 20, 2012, 6:37 pm
